There's been a pattern in recent years of leaving one chip behind instead of going all in and this rant is everything about why I believe it's bad for the game and ways it might be avoided. I likewise talk collusion, stalling, a chess clock, and more …
Follow Me, Daniel Negreanu, Online Here:
NO CHIP LEFT BEHIND! – Controversial Poker Rules Rant
How can there be a rule preventing a person from betting the amount that they want to bet? If they have 200,000 and they want to bet 195,000 then let them. It’s their chips. Ryan DePaulo just did it in his most recent bounty tourney video. He said that the logic was that if 3-4 others by chance went all in after he left one chip behind, then he’d fold and move up the pay ladder as multiple others got eliminated in multi player pot
Did you even watch the video before commenting? All of your points were addressed.
@@9bit927course he didn’t lol
Also, you already can’t bet anything you want. If the BB is 3000, you can’t bet 2000 unless you are all in. If someone bets 5000, you can’t make it 8000 unless you are all in.
The “its their chips” argument is flawed when there are already rules in place that determine how many chips are bet.
@@dnegspokerit makes sense 🤔
At least this isn’t “more rake is better”
A chess clock… That’s interesting. Good stuff and keep on trucking!
Partial solution: If you are all in pre for less than the big blind, you cannot win the full ante.
Scenario: 5k/10k blinds, 10k ante, you go all in UTG for the 1k you left back. If it folds to the big blind and you win the hand, you only win 1k from him, your 1k back, and 1k from the ante vs. 1k + 1k + the full 10k ante.
I like that and mentioned it
I was about to propose that solution, but you beat me to it. The ruling could be, if you have less than the ante at the start of the hand, you can’t win the ante. If you move allin preflop, you automatically go into a side pot with your amount of chips times the number of players that put in that amount. The ante and all further action goes into another pot
Remember the time when DNegs called out leaving one chip behind and then everyone started leaving one chip for +EV?
I like these talks Daniel.. Can listen to you for hours, and you can talk for hours.. Niiiice
I’m not a poker player, only a casual viewer of a handful of channels like yours, but I’m pretty much with Dwan on this one. Just call floor and explain that you thought they were all in.
Other commenters brought up the idea of raising to put them all in and immediately calling clock which I really don’t mind. It’s as equally within the rules as leaving one chip.
If I were the short stack I might just verbally declare how much I have behind. Not because it’s hard to see how much a single 5k chip is worth but just to draw attention to the fact that it’s there and not in the pot. And if I were the covering stack I might simply ask the dealer to clarify if the other player is all in or not. Just as far as personal responsibility goes, that’s my two cents.
I’m not a poker player though so I’d love your thoughts on my thoughts. Good video and I think you approach the subject in the most sensible way, which is to put the GAME first.
If anyone turns their cards over without confirming the other player is all in then it’s their mistake. Poker pros, especially, should be aware of this.
I’m just spitballing and am going to sound crazy, but hear me out. What if we try to not have pros not leave 1 chip behind, but more make the table/dealer more vigilant? If a player turned their hand up mid action in any other scenario, it would be a penalty. We can remind players at the beginning of a tournament and throughout, that if they flip their hand up too early, they will get a warning. Will be unfair at first, but it might become the norm over time to always make sure what the bet is. Not trolling. When it comes to the ICM jail part of it all, I just find that extremely fascinating strategically and I’m for it.
6:56 This is the best use case imo that not enough people talk about. Artificially creating 1bb stacks at FT to leverage chip lead into oblivion. Overall, doesn’t seem like there would be any clean solution that doesn’t alter the basics of no-limit betting. I do like the chess clock idea to prevent the most annoying aspect of 1bb behind
Daniel you are so right about players knowing what action they are going to take within 10 seconds, in most cases they have already had over 30-40 seconds (depending on their position) to make that decision, so dragging out the full 30 seconds is just wasting time, deliberately slowing down the game (less hands in level) unfairly penalises the shorter stacks. The only time I can see dragging out making your bet/call is when it really makes an impact, i.e. tournament life or final table. And lastly just do away with the Hoodies, Sunglasses & teach everyone to have a personality just as they did back in the days. My god it is so boring to watch until someone like you or Phil come onto the table & bring a little bit of life into the games. Happy Xmas to you & the Wifey 😁
This was a really great and succint argument. And I love how you managed to do it, in a way that clearly states you dont think people are bad for “Abusing” the loophole. But that the loophole should not exist. I always get something out of watching these videos Daniel, even if isnt neccesarily poker related, I like the way you carry yourself and argue your case. Keep it up man!
You put out the best videos!!!
Great topic, I have no suggestions that you didn’t mention
How about player responsibility for not immediately turning your hand over just because you think a player is all-in? Maybe an easy solution is to wait until dealer actually confirms an all-in before immediately flipping your cards over.
Part of the problem is allowing the person to win the antes with a single chip. The rule should simply be you are only allowed to win what you can cover from each player. Not a full solve but it is in line with the game theory behind poker. I believe antes should be reconsidered. Antes in tournaments were designed to speed up the overall duration and to GRIND EVERY PLAYER EVERY HAND. It was to defeat a short stack from just surviving the blinds and folding around. Through the years, impatience for the exact players you want in the tournament to begin with caused the creation of the big blind ante. No one addresses the fact that a big blind ante DEFEATS the original purpose of the ante! It allows the short stacks to survive the blinds and fold around. The big blind ante has become a round tax rather than a grind. If you remove the big blind ante and revert to the rule that states you can only win what you put in, it greatly reduces (but not eliminates) the benefits and doesn’t give the angle shooters MULTIPLE big blinds of profit. A true chip-and-a-chair situation. There are easier methods to speed up the duration of a tournament instead of the round tax. If you want a tournament to end sooner, speed up the levels, reduce starting stack, raise the level increases, etc,. but don’t create ways for angle shooters by increasing starting pot size as a useless round tax that doesn’t serve its intended purpose.
I don’t believe antes were added to force short stacks to battle harder, they were added to increase the dead money at the start of the hand to force all players to play a much wider range of hands than they would otherwise. Tournament poker would be insanely boring without it, it needs to stay.
This is the DannyNegs content I love. Just you talking poker! Merry Xmas brother
I started doing this 11 years ago in Australia. Reason was to not be last agreesor and be put all in and make them show first. I’m suprised it caught on.
Well thought-out arguments. Thank you for always looking out at the bigger picture and to continue to be the greatest poker ambassador.
An easier way to do it is to reduce the shot clock to 10 seconds and instead increase the number of time bank chips.
I know Dnegs started a non-poker podcast, but if he decided to do a poker podcast, he would immediately have the #1 poker podcast. I’m here for it.